pspinale2000
2014-01-12 16:17:10
Just have a few questions if anyone has ideas. Rigging my 25 ft boat. I have rigged bigger boats before but none this small. the two ideas that i keep going back and forth on are where to run my heavy and float lines. I only have 20 ft poles. 3 inch base for 10 ft sleeved into 2.5 for the last 10 ft tips.
I am not sure if i should run my heavies which are only 50lbs on my tips to gain a little spread or run them normal on the the inside. im just worried i might tangle if i run them inside but is that too much weight on the tip if i put hem on the tip and run shear/planers down by the weight?
or does a 35 lb lead with a float put the same amount of pressure on the tips anyways?
How deep should i run my stabilizers/birds/floppers, whatever you want to call them under the water with a boat my size? i was thinking maybe 10-12 ft below the surface? too deep, not enough? for my size boat?
thanks for the help
Salty
2014-01-12 18:57:03
I rigged a 19 foot boat with 4 lines hand trolling in 1979. Seems like I see 35 and 25 lb weights. I do remember the bags on the tips. Be sure you have light enough breaking straps. Tangles are part of trolling. Trial and error will help on your boat.
I would start with my 50's on the tips. Short leaders on the heavies. Avoid turning when you are putting the light line down.
Good luck
SilverT
2014-01-13 01:32:56
sounds like fun. You probably want the stabilizers 6-8 feet below so they won't hang too far back and get in your wires. Best wishes.
Sinnazat04
2014-01-13 03:47:04
How far out your poles do you plan on hanging your stabilizers?
Trnaround
2014-01-13 05:04:54
I would agree with Salty on the heavy being on the tip, and the float on the inside, if you are tangling with your heavy leaders let your float out another click until you don't tangle then use that distance at a minimum.Sometimes fish like it farther from the boat, especially when you are fishing shallow. When you rig your tag lines it will look backwards but the float tag line has to be on top of the tip line or they won't go out right. I would agree with Silver T on depth of the stabilizer, and the farther from the boat you can rig it the better the stability. That would depend on your pole strength but half way out would be a good start. Now you just have to figure out where you are going to put all those fish. :D
mydona
2014-01-13 18:31:17
Weight on your poles has a direct correlation to what and where your haul-backs,to the mast, pole supports and stays are. What I'm saying is you'll want your trolling lines supported by stay lines or ridged forstay rather than the pole it's self. The stabbies should not be on the pole between supporting lines to gain distance from the boat. If you do this you can bend the pole in the middle if you have a hang up or catch a kelp island. If you keep this in mind this will allow you the freedom to move heavies and floats around for best results. As to the depth and distance from the boat of stabbies, long enough to stay in the water on a heavy roll!! and short enough to stay outta the prop and troll lines (while pulling lines). good luck
Trnaround
2014-01-13 20:06:29
I agree with Myodona, you should consider a stay forward and aft, a fixed cable or a haul up close to the stabilizer attachment that runs back to the mast, AND a grasshopper or rigid connection from the pole to the mast to prevent the pole from raising up as the boat rolls. You are probably going to haul up from the tip so that should take care of the weight from your heavy. Longer poles usually have two haul ups, that is also an option. Lots of ways it could go but those are some issues to think about.
pspinale2000
2014-01-15 05:25:01
Thanks for the help. I have one stay forward attached where the tip spring will go, the 2nd stay forward will be where the flopper is attached, approx mid pole, 10 ft out and and my stay back is where the flopper is also. i also have a scissor about 6 ft up that locks it into place when extending the poles out. ill run the heavy on the tip line with a shear to keep it as wide as possible. i have a haul line in the middle where the forward and back stay are, as well as a haul on the tip. i guess its rig it up and adjust from there, trial and error. i wish i could figure out how to post pics on this website, its would be easier to explain.
ill try the floppers 8 -10 feet down and add more if needed, i wont fish when its real rough anyways. I have had floppers come out of the water in bad weather and its probably one of the scariest things i have seen.
i appreciate the help, hope we get some rain and have a good salmon season.
SilverT
2014-01-15 16:07:23
I'll bet that was scary, that must have been some weather. It would make me want stabilizers deep too. I suppose if they hang too far back you could run a line forward. Good move on the double haul lines. For some reason this reminded me of the time that I couldn't get the boat to plane no matter how I shifted the load. I had the kids get on the bow and did everything I could think of. It was extremely frustrating. About a quarter of the way in I realized I had pulled the poles up, but left the stabilizers down and they were acting like rock-solid parachutes. The oldest person there to witness it was twelve and I was still embarrassed.
Best wishes
Salty
2014-01-15 19:10:28
Not the first time a troller pulled the poles but forgot the stabies. I have done it too.
Jigboatjohn
2014-02-12 16:12:26
Sometimes the pilot will not hold when you pull the float. If this happens run the float on the opposite side to the davit. I do this anyway just to make sure. Sometimes the fish are in 100 fathoms on the bottom. On a smaller trailer boat less is more I suggest only two wires. I run a straight 40lb pig to one of my main lines and send it back 3 or four stops. There are funky currents that can actually wrap those wires with that much wire out. When I pull a wire I make sure the other wire is floating back . I only have one 40lb float so when I pull in 80 to 100 fathoms I make sure the other line is floating back 3 or 4 stops. As for pole stabilizing, anything going in the water off that pole needs a opposite line to the A frame. Good Luck John