Simplex gurdie question
Carol W
2012-06-16 06:50:50
I have simplex gurdies that have been rebuilt in the last 5 years, they have developed an issue over the last few months and that is when I engage the brake it won't stay locked on unless I spray a lubricant on the the sliding piece under the handle that slides forward to lock brake on. I have adjusted brakes tighter and problem got worse, I then loosened up brakes and then the brakes don't hold but stay locked, so I tightened back up but now I have to spray lubricant on the slider twice a day and seems to work. The sliding piece has some rubmarks but not excessive so I am thinking I am out of adjustment but not sure, I was hoping somebody might have some pointers as to any tricks I might try it is much to late in the year to rebuild gurdies.
keep your hand on it
Tom
wyolance
2012-06-16 17:17:20
Hi Tom,
I'm sure the problem started in 2010 when you had that guy from wyoming trying to wear them out all summer.Sorry about that.Sounds like you have some parts worn out though.See you out there.
Lance.
charger
2012-06-17 01:14:08
There is a balance point of neutral on the simplex, I also had the same issue. I was instructed the arm that supports the shift lever arm will get bent when people shift either into spool-in or break position applying too much pressure, slamming into gear. I bitch at my pullers all the time. Just remove the shift arm pin, arm, and insure the support bracket that the pin goes through is perpendicular (square) to the base if not the arms are bent from slamming. Now the hard thing to do if they are bent you have to straighten them have a good square, if you dare, put the pin into the two brackets then use a have punch or black of wood and hammer and slowly hit each post until they are back into the original perpendicular position to the base. If you break the support arm, you get to throw away that gurdie, the other thing it could be is the shaft or shift bushing is way worn. Are you using Grill PAN on them? Are you over oiling the grurdies? Lots of luck I am also always looking for answers.
fvsedna
2012-06-20 06:03:39
Tom~
Take the 1/4" SS bolt & spring out of the brake bands.....(engage the clutch first)...wiggle the bands up & out of position so you have one In each hand...now swap, so the band on the Inside Is now outside & visa-versa with the outside band.....wiggle them back down In place.....looking @ the gurdie next door noticing how the lower end of the bands Interlock....re install the bolt/spring....this might help what ails ya' Tom....If not there are a couple other Ol' Indian tricks that work well with the Simplex gurdies...One thing, sometimes you'll get build-up (seaweed,grass...or the green bronze corrosion), sticking In the slot of that "slipper" that slides to engage the brake bands...that will cause @ times the Issue you are having......sounds like though, that Is not what you are dealing with If you can temporarily fix It with lube. Anyway, try that first Tom, If you have not found a remedy as of yet...there Is another thing or two to try also. Its' amazing the "adjustments" to prolonge the life of Simplex & other gurdie brands with a 12 oz ball peen hammer & tapered punch.
Hope that helps Tom....
Catch a bunch..
Andrew~
Salty
2012-06-23 00:07:11
Tom,
There are hand gurdies, then there are power gurdies, and then there are easthope gurdies. What is a producer like you doing with "b" league gurdies?
Trnaround
2012-08-23 16:19:53
Getting the brake just right seems like an art with the Simplex gurdies but once you get them right they are great. One way to get them out of adjustment and I speak from experience is to accidentally or intentionally get oil or lubricant on the outside rings that adjust with the 9/16th bolt. When the gurdies are dry the rings clack and make anoying noises. If you WD40 them your break will slip and then if you tighten the internal break shoes to compensate you are on the road to problems. I keep a squirt bottle on deck and shoot fresh water on them when they get noisey. They immediately go out smoothly. If you have a shelter or it isn't raining you may have to do this occasionally through the day. Lubricating the lever mechanisms with light oil or WD40 keeps you from having to jam the lever into and out of gear which causes the bending of parts but don't get it in the rings. If you are having problems with the break start with cleaning all oils and lubricants off of the outside rings then try to adjust them. You may have to take them off and use soapy water. Oh, salt water doesn't work as a lubricant. Good luck.
Salty
2012-08-24 15:55:38
Immediately sell the Simplex gurdies and use the money for a downpayment on East Hopes. Then sometime in the future when you are so happy with your East Hope gurdies and are on the bite give me a call with your co-ordinates.
I actually had the privilege of talking to Bob Easthope years ago when I purchased my set new for $3,000 in 1990. Best trolling investment I ever made.
Bow poles are right up there, as are the slush tanks and brailer bags. And a few other things I won't mention.
Actually turnaround has excellent advice that might work on all the gurdies. We wash our gurdies with the fresh water hose every time we unload and have a jug with a spray nozzle for spraying down the gurdies with fresh water every evening. Helps keep the gurdies isolated and clean.
Trnaround
2012-08-27 22:48:30
Salty, that's a another good reason to use a little water on the gurdies. I hadn't thought about the electrical reasons for putting fresh water on the gurdies but it makes sense. I have never used Easthope gurdies they sound great. My Simplex gurdies do the job and are reliable but it took awhile to figure them out. If anyone has questions about adjustments they are made by Hastings Foundry in Vancouver BC. If Rico is still working there he is the man to ask.
curmudgeon
2013-02-24 21:09:38
Salty, since you've been working your Easthopes hard for several years, What areas of wear would you suggest looking out for on a used set? The ones I just bought seem okay, but have several plastic parts like the bushings that the clutch handles actuate, that could need replacing?
Thanks!
Mike
Salty
2013-02-25 02:02:19
What started to go on mine, when I ran the float bag into the block or hung up was the stainless shear pins. I ended up getting a punch set and rolled stainless pins just for them. The plastic was still holding up fine when I retired mine after 20 years of hard fishing, ling codding, humping, chumming, etc. They were still working but the shaft in one was slightly bent and there was some kind of growl in the other one. I just talked to someone who said he was just working on a boat where the easthopes are even older than that.
I bought another used set and had them re-built in Sitka, they are working great. I plan to have the retired set re-built next fall for re-sale. I think between Karl and I we have four or five sets. Always nice to have spare power gurdies around, or so it seemed when I was going through Pacific Kings, Kolstrand, etc.
Eric
curmudgeon
2013-02-25 07:02:08
So does SVSedna do your rebuilding?
Thanks!
Mke
Salty
2013-02-25 16:58:47
Kurt Lewis and Connelly did the job here in Sitka. They were great for me to work with. Andrew has taken over a shop and is re-building gurdies and I will ask both him and Connelly for an estimate next fall.
Eric